Who is a muslim - and who is an apostate?

Branded a muslim in the one way road of islam ending with a sharia sign declaring 'apostasy ban'. 

The only way out is committing the worst of crime or lying. And in a Western
cultural context - to pretend you're free to do what you like - much as BBC's muslim presenter Mishal Husain does in the face of islam's victims when she proudly brags about not fasting during Ramadan but instead eating and drinking alcohol, and that she "feels no threat to her way of life".

Samantha Lewthwaite (Brit), Mishal Husain (Paki/Saudi/Brit) and Michael Adebolajo (Brit) have all sharia islam in common - although one of them seems to deny/blink it.

Muslims are protected by Human Rights - islam is not!

The only reason such a disgusting and Human Rights violating ideology as sharia islam is possible in a modern society is that its evilness is protected by a misdirected use of Human Rights and the US Constitution. Islam is political and against Human Rights (compare what all muslims main Umma organization, Saudi based and steered OIC, says in its sharia declaration via UN) and can therefore not be protected by Human Rights. Muslims can and should be protected by Human Rights (as everyone else and equally - not more or less), but their Human Rights violating ideology should not.

The sensitive issue of islam's lack of freedom of religion is best exemplified in the desperate cover-up of the background of muslim born* (apostate?!**) Mr. X*** "president"**** Barry Barakeh Hussein Obama Dunham Soetoro (or whatever).


CNN (the Saudi steered truthsayer): A CNN/ORC poll out this week showed 29 percent of Americans believe incorrectly that Obama is Muslim. Of that, 43 percent of Republicans believe that to be true — even though it is false. And that number rises to a whopping 54 percent — a majority — among those who say they are Trump supporters.

Klevius: Rarely do we see journalists telling us in such a definitive language what is "incorrect" and "false".  Sounds like a little child, doesn't it!

Here's an other stubborn and foolish truthsayer (the red pen is Klevius attempt to cover up his stupidity).

It's not a question about Mr X "president's" beliefs - it's about sharia islam that violates the most basic of Universal Human Rights! Obama's apostasy problem reveals the darkest side of islam in a modern civilized world.

The original rant on the pic above tries to avoid the crucial question of Obama being a muslim because his father was a muslim, by confusing it with 'foreign-born', i.e. utilizing some rumors that he entered Hawai from Kenya as a baby and not in his mothers belly.

* Except that the muslim "rumor" is based on the most basic tenet in islam, i.e. that a child to a muslim father is a muslim, there is also 

**** the constitutional problem with a president born by a US citizen who is less than five years into her adulthood.

** If he sees himself as a non-muslim he must have committed apostasy - the worst crime known to islam.

*** "Mr X" means his personal records are kept tightly secret.


This cover-up has been going on since before he was "elected" "president".

And for a whole day Google News top of the top story was that Donald Trump didn't "correct" questioner (who possibly also believed Obama wasn't born in US) who said Obama is a muslim because his father (who, to our knowledge, hadn't committed open apostasy either) was a muslim, as was the grandfather.

This is the most important news you're offered via US Google News - again and again...

 and again...

 and again...

 and seemingly never ending throughout a whole day!

Who is a muslim? The racist/sexist closed one way road to muslimhood.

Obama had two muslim fathers and used to pray in a mosgue during his childhood.



So let's ask an "expert" on islam, General Supervisor, Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid (with clarifying comments by Klevius - the Supervisor of islamic supervisors):

If the child's parents are both Muslims, then he is Muslim too, following his parents, according to the consensus of the Muslims. The same applies if his mother is Muslim, according to the majority of scholars such as Abu Haneefah, al-Shaafa’i and Ahmad. End quote from Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 10/437.

Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment: What a twisted answer! Muslim mothers have no say at all. If a mother is a muslim then she isn't allowed to have a non-muslim child and strictly speaking not even allowed to marry a non-muslim. And if she is divorced or widowed she isn't allowed to change the status of the child even if she has islamic "custody" (male relatives are the factual custodians in sharia).

It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah al-Kuwaitiyyah (4/270): The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that if the father becomes Muslim and he has young children, then these children are to be regarded as Muslim, following their father. 

The majority (the Hanafis, Shaafa’is and Hanbalis) are of the view that what counts is the Islam of one of the parents, whether it is the father or mother, so the children are to be regarded as Muslims, following the parent, because Islam should prevail and not be prevailed over, because it is the religion of Allah that He is pleased with for His slaves.

Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment:See previous comment and do note the fascist 'islam should prevail' no matter what. And does Klevius have to point out the self-evident totalitarian meaning in this statement. This is as far you can get from civilized behavior.


Secondly: When the Muslim child reaches the age of puberty, he is not required to utter the Shahaadatayn again.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The Muslims are unanimously agreed that if a child reaches the age of puberty as a Muslim, he is not required to renew the Shahaadatayn. End quote from Dar’ al-Ta’aarud, 4/107.

And he said: The early generation and the imams are unanimously agreed that the first thing to be enjoined upon people is the Shahaadatayn, and they are agreed that if a person did that before reaching puberty, he should not be enjoined to renew that when he reaches puberty. End quote from Dar’ al-Ta’aarud, 4/107

Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment: Gives a lot of space for young muslims while still keeping them tied to this bigoted and hypocritical "religion", doesn't it.

But if after reaching puberty he says or does something that indicates that he is not content with Islam, then he is to be regarded as an apostate and is to be treated as one who has apostatised from the religion of Islam.

Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment: So what about Obama?

Shaykh al-Islam said: In terms of worldly rulings, the child comes under the same rulings as his parents, because he is not independent. When he reaches puberty and speaks words of Islam or disbelief, then he is to be judged on that basis, according to the consensus of the Muslims. If his parents are Jews or Christians, but he becomes Muslim, then he is a Muslim according to Muslim consensus. If they are Muslims and he becomes a kaafir, then he is a kaafir according to Muslim consensus. End quote from al-Fataawa al-Kubra, 1/64

Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment: "Muslim consensus" is what you see in Mideast.

Thirdly: When the child reaches the age of seven, his parents should instruct him to pray and encourage him to do so, because of the report narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas (may Allah be pleased with him), according to which the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Instruct your children to pray when they are seven years old and smack them if they do not do it when they are ten.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (495); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood (466).


Al-Nawawi said: The imams said: It is obligatory for the fathers and mothers to teach their children about purification, prayer and other laws after the age of seven, and to smack them if they do not do them after the age of ten. End quote from al-Majmoo’, 3/11.



Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment: This is called brainwashing and child abuse in the civilized Western world.

Ibn Qudaamah said: This discipline is prescribed for the child in order to accustom him to prayer, so that he will feel comfortable with it and get used to it, and he will not neglect it when he reaches puberty, but it is not obligatory upon him. Al-Mughni, 1/682


Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment: I see.

If a child does not pray before the age of puberty, that does not put him beyond the pale of Islam, because he is not accountable for doing it and it is not obligatory for him.

Shaykh al-Islam said: Prayer is not obligatory for a child, even if he has reached the age of ten. This is the view of the majority of scholars.

Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment: So Obama, as a child, didn't have to do anything to keep his muslimhood. However, we do know that he did pray when his mother was married with an other muslim, Soetoro, who also became his adoptive father - which fact constitutes an interesting anomaly.

Al-Ikhtiyaaraat al-Fiqhiyyah, 1/32; see also the answer to question number 1994.

Based on this, the child who has a Muslim father and a non-Muslim mother is a Muslim. If he reaches the age of ten and does not pray, he is not a kaafir because of his not praying, because he is not accountable for that until he reaches the age of puberty. If he reaches the age of puberty and persists in not praying, then he is an apostate from Islam because of not praying. 

 Klevius (the supervisor of islamic supervisors) comment: Make your pick! This is why islamofascist countries love OIC's sharia declaration which, unlike Human Rights, gives them clean hands for cherry picking.

Obama interview March 28, 2004

What do you believe?

OBAMA:
I am a Christian. So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith. On the other hand, I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10. My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim.

Have you always been a Christian?

OBAMA:
I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian.

I think that, particularly as somebody who’s now in the public realm and is a student of what brings people together and what drives them apart, there’s an enormous amount of damage done around the world in the name of religion and certainty.

Who’s Jesus to you?

(He laughs nervously)

OBAMA:
Right.
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.

And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

Do you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?

OBAMA:
Well, my pastor is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.

Klevius: This racist supremacist pastor was so utterly disgusting that Obama a couple of years later had to stop seeing him if he wanted to continue his campaign.